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ooPo · Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:40 am Post subject:

Moved to somewhere people can actually respond.

Neil Stevens · Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Posts: 79 Location: California

If the value of the channel is in the ability of people to get quick responses, keeping the channel somewhere with frequent splits is a bad idea.

Getting away from all the 'backup'-oriented channels can only help, too.

Drakonite · Site Admin Joined: 17 Jan 2004 Posts: 989

EFnet sucks, and I really wish the channel was somewhere else.

That being said, I don't think this attempt at a move is going to work, and it's likely to cause as many problems as it will solve. We are too big and have been in the same place too long.
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Oobles · Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:29 am Post subject:

I'm all for the move. It moves us to an IRC network which was originally created to support open source software. It also brings us to the same network as the ps2linux IRC channel. I for one will be more likely to keep a window open for #ps2linux and #sps2 while on the network.

Oobles.

ooPo · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:08 am Post subject:

I vote for efnet. Speak up if you agree.

Guest · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:54 am Post subject:

ooPo · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:17 pm Post subject:

Avoiding a schism should have been a thought before the move.

There's a lot of joins and parts in the efnet channel, but new traffic to the freenode channel is far less.

I still say it is an extreme solution to efnet's habit of going wonky once in a while.

Guest · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:37 pm Post subject:

ooPo · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 1:57 pm Post subject:

1) That was the main problem: they didn't want to wait for people to discuss it. It wasn't a large group, maybe 4 or 5 people. The plan was to lock up the channel, set the topic, get a spam bot announcing the move and just tell everyone to suck it. Myself included.

2) Problems with efnet? Splits happen, sure... but it has an established population and a great amount of turnaround. Plus, we've been there for a while... people drop by expecting us to be there. Now we're missing out on potential new members which is especially annoying given the efforts people have been doing lately to make ps2dev more accessable.

Regardless, it would be nice to actually hear a proper sampling of the opinion of people. All we have right now is a very vocal minority and a surprisingly large number of people who make off-hand comments on one side or the other but don't seem to be interested in actually commenting where it counts.

Until they do, the issue remains unsettled in my opinion.

Guest · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 2:06 pm Post subject:

I believe this "so-called" vocal minority had only good intentions, however one might find some fault with their methods. Whats done is done. Lets turn this into a learning experience instead.

Lets just open up a poll and vote + discussion-thread ? And then move on with the decision ?

Neil Stevens · Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Posts: 79 Location: California

Why the formality? Why not just let both channels stand, then let people vote with their virtual feet?

As long as people can contact who they need, when they need it, what's the big deal?

Guest · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:01 pm Post subject:

Neil,

Its a big deal because (from what I am understanding thus far as a relatively new person around here) for a long time PS2DEV has consisted of a strong core of DEVs who are both highly technical and have strong beliefs on proper ways deving (ethical hacking). This core group also generally goes by consensus.

I would say the presence of this core is what makes PS2DEV what it is. Not having this core in both places can be detrimental, I think. It is what makes the difference between PS2DEV and ... unnamed.

ooPo · Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:48 pm Post subject:

Name the unnamed and you get to own it!